The Holy Family & Gay Marriage
Nice Christmas themed entry for y’all. With the focus now on the creche, I think I’ll write a little about the nativity and the Holy Family, and then throw in a bit of gay sex for some added flair.
The Church contends that the purpose of marriage is ultimately to conceive and raise children. And for that reason chiefly, they disapprove of gay marriage. What then of the Holy Family itself? The supposed archetype for the traditional Christian family. According to Catholic doctrine, Mary was not only a virgin through Jesus’ birth, but eternally a virgin. Protestants (I’ve heard) however agree with the movie, Dogma, and Chris Rock’s character(me too btw):
Mary gave birth to CHRIST without having known a man’s touch, that’s true. But she did have a husband. And do you really think he’d have stayed married to her all those years if he wasn’t getting laid? The nature of God and the Virgin Mary, those are leaps of faith. But to believe a married couple never got down? Well, that’s just plain gullibility.
However that’s not my point, heh. My point is the Catholic doctrine that Mary was a virgin until her death. If that is the case, then their marriage was never truly consumated. Furthermore, they never actually had children, merely the ‘adoptive’ son of Jesus. So the main priority of marriage, so says the church, was not seen in the archetype for Christian families. Joseph raised a son that was not his as his own. He adopted Jesus.
Gay couples can adopt.
Isn’t the church being a bit hypocritical to say that procreative sex is the true intent and purpose behind marriage, and only marriages that retain that as a key feature are valid? Of course straight married couples who choose not to have kids can fall into this category too. But again, why ban gay marriage?
Now of course I’m open to hearing other doctrinal issues with gay marriage. Generally the Church, I’ve found, has been pretty good with homosexuality overall (except for the new gay priest ban), and I agree entirely with their official position on homosexuality (so does Andrew Sullivan btw). So if presented with another doctrinal reason for not supporting gay marriage, I’ll go along (I’ll still support secular, legal gay marriage however), but I’m thinking the standard line of wanting procreative marriage won’t fly too well anymore.
Good enough for Joseph and Mary, then good enough for Ace & Gary.
December 21st, 2005 at 6:02 pm
Well said! You rock.
December 21st, 2005 at 7:41 pm
So, the most interesting analogy of the holiday, er, Christmas season goes to you, my friend. Please send this post to FOX and see if O’Reilly will entertain your hypothesis. Does anyone else think that Mary dressed lesbianish? It may support Alex’s claim…
December 30th, 2005 at 10:05 pm
Ah, I posted this before I left for California for a week so I didn’t see your comment in time to act on that. Oh well. O’Reilly will miss out on it.
January 31st, 2006 at 8:23 pm
What’s the official church position, Alex your position and Andrew Sullivan’s position- not that I’m too concerned about AS’s, I’m more interested in the person who defines in general NYRA position - - it seems there’s not much of a focus on the rights of gay youth? What is that?
February 1st, 2006 at 2:17 pm
I’m a little unclear what you’re asking, but the official Catholic church position is that sex that isn’t for procreation is a sin.
So gay sex is a sin, but so is heterosexual sex using birth control. Homosexuals aren’t singled out at all or treated any different than anyone else. Its the act that is a sin, not the person.
As for you second question… are you asking why NYRA doesn’t do anything specifically for gay youth? Its because we work on the rights of ALL youth. We recognize a common struggle among all young people. To compartmentalize is to segregate. To focus on gay youth excludes black youth. To focus on black youth excludes female youth. To focus on any one of these groups excludes the big picture, which is ALL youth.
We hang together or we hang seperately.
If you are implying that I am personally biased against gays and have used my position to stop NYRA from taking on a specific campaign about gay youth because of my bias, you couldn’t be further off the mark. I am a strong supporter of gay rights, I don’t know where you would have gotten the impression I wasn’t. Furthermore, as I said above, segregating gay youth rights issues away from the rest of the youth rights issues hurts, not helps gay youth.