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 		<title>Comment on Rational Little Kids by: Adam</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/12/rational_little.html#comment-369</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Misbehavior&quot; is like labelling plants that grow in your yard without permission &quot;weeds&quot;. Society places all kinds of standards and restrictions on young people without considering the ramifications of those actions. Consequently, we're locking up succeeding generations of our elders in facilities that resemble... school. In a way, its the ultimate pay-back. In a bigger way, that's effed up. Sophie's revenge will be fierce.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Misbehavior&#8221; is like labelling plants that grow in your yard without permission &#8220;weeds&#8221;. Society places all kinds of standards and restrictions on young people without considering the ramifications of those actions. Consequently, we&#8217;re locking up succeeding generations of our elders in facilities that resemble&#8230; school. In a way, its the ultimate pay-back. In a bigger way, that&#8217;s effed up. Sophie&#8217;s revenge will be fierce.
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 		<title>Comment on Rational Little Kids by: SciVille</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/12/rational_little.html#comment-368</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Misbehavior is brilliant!</description>
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 		<title>Comment on Rational Little Kids by: scott</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well put.  Too often young people are judged by their willingness to comply with authority - authority that is often unjust.  Parents think that a young person who obeys various rules is mature; probably because they feel that they obey because they &quot;understand&quot; either the wisdom of said rules, or they are smart enough to &quot;recognize&quot; the infallibility of the parent.  

The defiant young person, at least at a very early age, probably has the same desires as the obedient one, but he is willing to fight for them.  This, as you noted, is the only real difference.

As the defiant youth gets older, a good parent will (and not by authoritarian means) attempt to shape and mold his desires in to something worth while.  The four year old who demanded the toy in the supermarket may become an eleven year old who demands social justice, and he may become an eleven year old who demands money and things like that.  The defiance should be embraced and channeled, not squashed.   
But defiance is not embraced, molded, and viewed as a logical attitude.  It is seen as a disease and a character flaw.  Folks in the movement complain about the word child, but I think that after minor, ‘brat’ is the most offensive word used to describe us.  People actually take Oppositional Defiance Disorder seriously.  That eleven year old demanding social justice will probably be sent to a gulag school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well put.  Too often young people are judged by their willingness to comply with authority - authority that is often unjust.  Parents think that a young person who obeys various rules is mature; probably because they feel that they obey because they &#8220;understand&#8221; either the wisdom of said rules, or they are smart enough to &#8220;recognize&#8221; the infallibility of the parent.  </p>
	<p>The defiant young person, at least at a very early age, probably has the same desires as the obedient one, but he is willing to fight for them.  This, as you noted, is the only real difference.</p>
	<p>As the defiant youth gets older, a good parent will (and not by authoritarian means) attempt to shape and mold his desires in to something worth while.  The four year old who demanded the toy in the supermarket may become an eleven year old who demands social justice, and he may become an eleven year old who demands money and things like that.  The defiance should be embraced and channeled, not squashed.<br />
But defiance is not embraced, molded, and viewed as a logical attitude.  It is seen as a disease and a character flaw.  Folks in the movement complain about the word child, but I think that after minor, ‘brat’ is the most offensive word used to describe us.  People actually take Oppositional Defiance Disorder seriously.  That eleven year old demanding social justice will probably be sent to a gulag school.
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 		<title>Comment on Rational Little Kids by: Gwen</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/12/rational_little.html#comment-366</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&gt;You will purposely break, steal, grab, spit, vomit, fart, burp, crap, &quot;mommy, I have to go to the bathroom&quot;, and develop some bizarre tic in regards to going out with your parents at some time in your young lives
I can just see a conversation between Sophie and this guy at the supermarket...
Sophie: Dad, I have to go to the bathroom.
Dad: No you don't, you're just testing my limits.
Sophie: No, I really really really have to pee. And poop.
Dad [Unleashing the Eye, the Voice, and the Upraised Finger of Doom, standing up, and roaring]: No you don't!
Sophie: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. [Pees her pants, later defecates.]
Yeah, so that's why he knows so much about little kids who &quot;crap&quot; at the supermarket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>>You will purposely break, steal, grab, spit, vomit, fart, burp, crap, &#8220;mommy, I have to go to the bathroom&#8221;, and develop some bizarre tic in regards to going out with your parents at some time in your young lives<br />
I can just see a conversation between Sophie and this guy at the supermarket&#8230;<br />
Sophie: Dad, I have to go to the bathroom.<br />
Dad: No you don&#8217;t, you&#8217;re just testing my limits.<br />
Sophie: No, I really really really have to pee. And poop.<br />
Dad [Unleashing the Eye, the Voice, and the Upraised Finger of Doom, standing up, and roaring]: No you don&#8217;t!<br />
Sophie: I&#8217;m sorry, I&#8217;m sorry. [Pees her pants, later defecates.]<br />
Yeah, so that&#8217;s why he knows so much about little kids who &#8220;crap&#8221; at the supermarket.
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