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 		<title>Comment on Getting Excited About Youth Rights History by: catherineD</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/10/getting_excited.html#comment-341</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Look up William R. George, The Adult Minor.  Published in the 1930s, it can be found in academic libraries or you can buy it over the internet used.  He applied his youth rights theories and I've done research on how the kids turned out and I think you'll find a lot of very interesting stuff in reading him that just isn't there in Farson or Holt.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Look up William R. George, The Adult Minor.  Published in the 1930s, it can be found in academic libraries or you can buy it over the internet used.  He applied his youth rights theories and I&#8217;ve done research on how the kids turned out and I think you&#8217;ll find a lot of very interesting stuff in reading him that just isn&#8217;t there in Farson or Holt.
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 		<title>Comment on Getting Excited About Youth Rights History by: KPalicz</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/10/getting_excited.html#comment-340</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oops, that's right.  I knew it was a YL group in Michigan.  I've made the correction.  Thanks for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oops, that&#8217;s right.  I knew it was a YL group in Michigan.  I&#8217;ve made the correction.  Thanks for commenting.
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 		<title>Comment on Getting Excited About Youth Rights History by: Susan Wishnetsky</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/10/getting_excited.html#comment-339</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A small correction.  I was never a member of Ann Arbor's Youth Liberation, although I met a few of its members and certainly supported it.  I lived in East Lansing, Michigan, and when I was 19 I joined the short-lived statewide youth rights organization The Three O'Clock Lobby (based in Lansing, the state capitol).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A small correction.  I was never a member of Ann Arbor&#8217;s Youth Liberation, although I met a few of its members and certainly supported it.  I lived in East Lansing, Michigan, and when I was 19 I joined the short-lived statewide youth rights organization The Three O&#8217;Clock Lobby (based in Lansing, the state capitol).
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 		<title>Comment on Getting Excited About Youth Rights History by: Sven Bonnichsen</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/10/getting_excited.html#comment-338</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for pointing out some of the oversights of my (initial) history essay.  It makes me glad that I'm putting up all my drafts -- rather than just &quot;final drafts&quot;.  More opportunity to fix things before getting too invested, more opportunity to get folks jazzed along with me.
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The way that I'm personally approaching YL history has a couple of caveats.  I'm only dealing with the U.S., and really only with organizations that embody &quot;activism by youth, for youth, challenging adult authority&quot; or individuals who've written manifestoes that could be used by such organizations...  Looking at the global scene is too big for me at present, as is looking at all the single-issue youth rights movements.
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That said, I'd love to hear your take on the history of global Youth Rights...  Similarly a post on who you think the big players in the &quot;Youth Voice&quot; movement -- or in the alternative school movement -- would be very cool.
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A few historical tidbits I've discovered during the past few months that I can throw into the mix...
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Apparently when the U.S. moved to lower the voting age to 18, there was also a world-wide movement going on to do the same.  But it wasn't just about lowering that age-line -- it was about unification.  Simultaneously, the age at which you could get married was moved *upward* to 18 in a lot of places, so 18 would sort of be the master number.
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Re NCRA:  I want to find more support for this, but my sense is that the protectionism of the 80's had *a lot* to do with the new awareness of incest.  Whereas in the 60s the &quot;Battered Child Syndrome&quot; was putting emphasis on physical abuse, revelations about the prevalence of sexual abuse really wigged people out -- and consequently we lost political ground.
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Tidbits.
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...I wonder if it might be appropriate to call this the &quot;second wave&quot; of Youth Liberation / Youth Rights?  I've recently discovered some info about youth-led work in the early 20th century -- but I don't know enough about it yet to say whether it really counts as what we'd consider YL/YR now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for pointing out some of the oversights of my (initial) history essay.  It makes me glad that I&#8217;m putting up all my drafts &#8212; rather than just &#8220;final drafts&#8221;.  More opportunity to fix things before getting too invested, more opportunity to get folks jazzed along with me.</p>
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The way that I&#8217;m personally approaching YL history has a couple of caveats.  I&#8217;m only dealing with the U.S., and really only with organizations that embody &#8220;activism by youth, for youth, challenging adult authority&#8221; or individuals who&#8217;ve written manifestoes that could be used by such organizations&#8230;  Looking at the global scene is too big for me at present, as is looking at all the single-issue youth rights movements.</p>
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That said, I&#8217;d love to hear your take on the history of global Youth Rights&#8230;  Similarly a post on who you think the big players in the &#8220;Youth Voice&#8221; movement &#8212; or in the alternative school movement &#8212; would be very cool.</p>
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A few historical tidbits I&#8217;ve discovered during the past few months that I can throw into the mix&#8230;</p>
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Apparently when the U.S. moved to lower the voting age to 18, there was also a world-wide movement going on to do the same.  But it wasn&#8217;t just about lowering that age-line &#8212; it was about unification.  Simultaneously, the age at which you could get married was moved *upward* to 18 in a lot of places, so 18 would sort of be the master number.</p>
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Re NCRA:  I want to find more support for this, but my sense is that the protectionism of the 80&#8217;s had *a lot* to do with the new awareness of incest.  Whereas in the 60s the &#8220;Battered Child Syndrome&#8221; was putting emphasis on physical abuse, revelations about the prevalence of sexual abuse really wigged people out &#8212; and consequently we lost political ground.</p>
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Tidbits.</p>
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&#8230;I wonder if it might be appropriate to call this the &#8220;second wave&#8221; of Youth Liberation / Youth Rights?  I&#8217;ve recently discovered some info about youth-led work in the early 20th century &#8212; but I don&#8217;t know enough about it yet to say whether it really counts as what we&#8217;d consider YL/YR now.</p>
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 		<title>Comment on Getting Excited About Youth Rights History by: sdavidson</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/10/getting_excited.html#comment-337</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think the best thing we can do now is gather, preserve, and (when possible) make public primary sources.  Maybe I'll write to Keith Hefner and some other Ann Arbour folk.  I'd like to have some of their publications.  The ASFAR list is a huge loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think the best thing we can do now is gather, preserve, and (when possible) make public primary sources.  Maybe I&#8217;ll write to Keith Hefner and some other Ann Arbour folk.  I&#8217;d like to have some of their publications.  The ASFAR list is a huge loss.
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 		<title>Comment on Getting Excited About Youth Rights History by: KPalicz</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/10/getting_excited.html#comment-336</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think we need to do more than just save stuff for later (although that's good too) we need to start writing our history now, as its happening, instead of waiting 30 years.  I think it would be a great development both for the movement and for the idea of making history and recording it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think we need to do more than just save stuff for later (although that&#8217;s good too) we need to start writing our history now, as its happening, instead of waiting 30 years.  I think it would be a great development both for the movement and for the idea of making history and recording it.
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 		<title>Comment on Getting Excited About Youth Rights History by: sdavidson</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/10/getting_excited.html#comment-335</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This stuff interests me as well.  I think one of the best things we can do is log everything.  It is kind of a pain in the ass to save emails and forums PMs, but it is very easy to save every instant message.  I have a folder for saved IMs, with subfolders for every youth rights personality I talk to online.  I save almost everything, except when I'm talking to you, and its just joking around and whatnot.  I think everyone in the movement should start keeping records like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This stuff interests me as well.  I think one of the best things we can do is log everything.  It is kind of a pain in the ass to save emails and forums PMs, but it is very easy to save every instant message.  I have a folder for saved IMs, with subfolders for every youth rights personality I talk to online.  I save almost everything, except when I&#8217;m talking to you, and its just joking around and whatnot.  I think everyone in the movement should start keeping records like that.
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