Comments on: The Youth Rights Movement’s Political Leanings - Part 1 http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/09/the_youth_right.html Alex's Blog Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:28:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on The Youth Rights Movement’s Political Leanings - Part 1 by: profreedomradical http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/09/the_youth_right.html#comment-308 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/09/the_youth_right.html#comment-308 In my honest opinion, NYRA swings libertarian and progressive simply because many conservatives are Republicans and many of them believe in Judeo-Christian "values". One of those being about honoring fathers and mothers but many of the conservative family value people like to take things like that and basically put an age with a law or "will of God". God never said honor mom and dad till you are 18, God said honor thy father and mother. Jesus may very well have been pro youth rights. He said "Suffer the Children to come onto me". This was said after adults were yelling at kids who wanted to talk to Jesus that they were getting "in the way, and wouldn't understand what he was talking about. Things like this lead me to become less religious and see through what I perceive is a conservative Christian hypocracy. There are numerous other reasons I could probably find if I wanted to dust off the ole B-I-B-L-E. But I don't want to. To save time I will just sum up and say that because conservatives vote their religious beliefs, most of the time, and those beliefs, no matter how skewed, have them believe that certain segments of the population need to be controlled by other segments, it is hard for conservatives and Republicans to give rights to those they believe are going against God's will, for instance gay rights(marriage, adoption). Conservatives forget that not everyone follows their set of morals. Libertarians and progressives (at least socially issue wise) believe that everyone should be treated fairly under the law, but with the understanding that we are all different individuals open to making up our own minds about our choices in life and that those choices will differ. Republicans, at least the conservative ones, feel everyone should follow THEIR moral code because that is from God and their God is the only god etc. etc. Okay, I am sorry for rambling but this is why I am a proud libertarian and supporter of youth rights. And after going to and from the Republican party twice in my life, I feel I have some insight into this from a Republican standpoint. Damn, Alex, now I know how you feel. I don't want to put myself in such a small box and call myself one party or the other. I know what I believe and individual rights are first and foremost on my list of political fights. In my honest opinion, NYRA swings libertarian and progressive simply because many conservatives are Republicans and many of them believe in Judeo-Christian “values”. One of those being about honoring fathers and mothers but many of the conservative family value people like to take things like that and basically put an age with a law or “will of God”. God never said honor mom and dad till you are 18, God said honor thy father and mother. Jesus may very well have been pro youth rights. He said “Suffer the Children to come onto me”. This was said after adults were yelling at kids who wanted to talk to Jesus that they were getting “in the way, and wouldn’t understand what he was talking about. Things like this lead me to become less religious and see through what I perceive is a conservative Christian hypocracy. There are numerous other reasons I could probably find if I wanted to dust off the ole B-I-B-L-E. But I don’t want to.

To save time I will just sum up and say that because conservatives vote their religious beliefs, most of the time, and those beliefs, no matter how skewed, have them believe that certain segments of the population need to be controlled by other segments, it is hard for conservatives and Republicans to give rights to those they believe are going against God’s will, for instance gay rights(marriage, adoption). Conservatives forget that not everyone follows their set of morals. Libertarians and progressives (at least socially issue wise) believe that everyone should be treated fairly under the law, but with the understanding that we are all different individuals open to making up our own minds about our choices in life and that those choices will differ. Republicans, at least the conservative ones, feel everyone should follow THEIR moral code because that is from God and their God is the only god etc. etc. Okay, I am sorry for rambling but this is why I am a proud libertarian and supporter of youth rights. And after going to and from the Republican party twice in my life, I feel I have some insight into this from a Republican standpoint.

Damn, Alex, now I know how you feel. I don’t want to put myself in such a small box and call myself one party or the other. I know what I believe and individual rights are first and foremost on my list of political fights.

]]> Comment on The Youth Rights Movement’s Political Leanings - Part 1 by: SciVille http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/09/the_youth_right.html#comment-307 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/09/the_youth_right.html#comment-307 More political diversity makes us more open. It's a good thing. (Hehe, I sound like Martha Stewart! Eek!) More political diversity makes us more open. It’s a good thing.

(Hehe, I sound like Martha Stewart! Eek!)

]]> Comment on The Youth Rights Movement’s Political Leanings - Part 1 by: scott http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/09/the_youth_right.html#comment-306 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/09/the_youth_right.html#comment-306 typo. I said "it" and "youth rights" when the terms are redundant. typo. I said “it” and “youth rights” when the terms are redundant.

]]> Comment on The Youth Rights Movement’s Political Leanings - Part 1 by: sdavidson http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/09/the_youth_right.html#comment-305 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/09/the_youth_right.html#comment-305 NYRA attracts many libertarians because it youth rights is a natural extension of the libertarian philosophy, when taken to an extreme. NYRA has attracted many liberals, particularly in leadership positions, because we have a strong Berkeley chapter that throws off the stats. Also, some liberals (more than is the case with Republicans, but still not many) are willing to accept new ideas. We have a few Republicans, though they wouldn't call themselves such, and I'm glad they are around. I can not decide if they are attracted to youth rights because it is a left over ideal from some time when they were guided by more sound principles, or if their passion for youth rights is derived from the source as their support for the Iraq war. Another interesting question is this: Why do we get more support from Republicans on the Drinking Age, and more support from Democrats on the voting age? I say because there is a (dying) libertarian strain in the Republican Party, that seems truly willing to grant Americans some political freedom that protectionists deny to them. The voting age, however, may be seen as some farce to create new Democrats (as Councilman Oddo has said in his foul and ignorant way.) Democrats see this as expanding the franchise, doing some thing good for young people - and most importantly, expanding liberty in a way that does not call public safety in to question. NYRA attracts many libertarians because it youth rights is a natural extension of the libertarian philosophy, when taken to an extreme. NYRA has attracted many liberals, particularly in leadership positions, because we have a strong Berkeley chapter that throws off the stats. Also, some liberals (more than is the case with Republicans, but still not many) are willing to accept new ideas. We have a few Republicans, though they wouldn’t call themselves such, and I’m glad they are around. I can not decide if they are attracted to youth rights because it is a left over ideal from some time when they were guided by more sound principles, or if their passion for youth rights is derived from the source as their support for the Iraq war.
Another interesting question is this:
Why do we get more support from Republicans on the Drinking Age, and more support from Democrats on the voting age?
I say because there is a (dying) libertarian strain in the Republican Party, that seems truly willing to grant Americans some political freedom that protectionists deny to them. The voting age, however, may be seen as some farce to create new Democrats (as Councilman Oddo has said in his foul and ignorant way.) Democrats see this as expanding the franchise, doing some thing good for young people - and most importantly, expanding liberty in a way that does not call public safety in to question.

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