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 		<title>Comment on Israel&#8217;s Coming Civil War&#8230; ? by: Yasha</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/02/israels_coming_.html#comment-61</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You generalize the views of a minority of settlers to be the driving zeal of them all. 

As for accepting bus bombings as the results of winning a series of wars that Israel did not begin, fine, as long as the Palestinians and the rest of the world accept the full might of the IDF in return. No more holding back. At least that's what your logic would entail. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You generalize the views of a minority of settlers to be the driving zeal of them all. </p>
	<p>As for accepting bus bombings as the results of winning a series of wars that Israel did not begin, fine, as long as the Palestinians and the rest of the world accept the full might of the IDF in return. No more holding back. At least that&#8217;s what your logic would entail.
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 		<title>Comment on Israel&#8217;s Coming Civil War&#8230; ? by: KPalicz</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/02/israels_coming_.html#comment-60</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Who is advocating pushing all the Palestinians into Jordan?&quot; 

If you read the link to the original article I quoted, you'll see that that is the intent behind the settlers.  To expand Israel's borders to their biblical limit.  Far beyond even what we'd consider the current Israel/Palestine area.

&quot;Alex, you are saying that the Israeli settlers are living on &quot;stolen&quot; land? If this is the case, then Texas is &quot;stolen&quot; land.&quot;

Actually Texas democratically decided to join the United States.  That is different than pure conquest. 

&quot;The Israelis and Egypt fought a war, started by the Arabs, which the Israelis won fair and square. As is the case after every war, there is a redrawing of national boundaries, and the victors acquire some of the former territory of the losers. The Palestinians and Arabs need to accept the fact they lost the war.&quot; 

Then Israelis need to accept the fact that people don't much like being conquered and from time to time may choose to blow up buses and night clubs in response.  Might does not make right.

&quot;Palestinians and Arabs are allowed to and do live in Israel. Why shouldn't Jews, Israeli or otherwise, be permitted to live in &quot;Palestinian&quot; territory? The anti-settler sentiment proves that many Palestinians are anti-Semitic. They don't want any Jews living within the Palestinian Authority.&quot;

Well in many cases the Israeli government supported and funded the settlers in the first place.  But honestly, I wouldn't care if Israel just withdrew totally from Palestinian territory and leave the settlers to live as Jewish Palestinian citizens.  I doubt anyone else would accept that though.

Why does anyone who dares look at this issue in a balanced light get attacked?  Like how Dean was made out to be some terrible anti-semite because he suggested we be even-handed in the middle east, oh that terrible Nazi!  How dare he suggest something so foul!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Who is advocating pushing all the Palestinians into Jordan?&#8221; </p>
	<p>If you read the link to the original article I quoted, you&#8217;ll see that that is the intent behind the settlers.  To expand Israel&#8217;s borders to their biblical limit.  Far beyond even what we&#8217;d consider the current Israel/Palestine area.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Alex, you are saying that the Israeli settlers are living on &#8220;stolen&#8221; land? If this is the case, then Texas is &#8220;stolen&#8221; land.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Actually Texas democratically decided to join the United States.  That is different than pure conquest. </p>
	<p>&#8220;The Israelis and Egypt fought a war, started by the Arabs, which the Israelis won fair and square. As is the case after every war, there is a redrawing of national boundaries, and the victors acquire some of the former territory of the losers. The Palestinians and Arabs need to accept the fact they lost the war.&#8221; </p>
	<p>Then Israelis need to accept the fact that people don&#8217;t much like being conquered and from time to time may choose to blow up buses and night clubs in response.  Might does not make right.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Palestinians and Arabs are allowed to and do live in Israel. Why shouldn&#8217;t Jews, Israeli or otherwise, be permitted to live in &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; territory? The anti-settler sentiment proves that many Palestinians are anti-Semitic. They don&#8217;t want any Jews living within the Palestinian Authority.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Well in many cases the Israeli government supported and funded the settlers in the first place.  But honestly, I wouldn&#8217;t care if Israel just withdrew totally from Palestinian territory and leave the settlers to live as Jewish Palestinian citizens.  I doubt anyone else would accept that though.</p>
	<p>Why does anyone who dares look at this issue in a balanced light get attacked?  Like how Dean was made out to be some terrible anti-semite because he suggested we be even-handed in the middle east, oh that terrible Nazi!  How dare he suggest something so foul!
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 		<title>Comment on Israel&#8217;s Coming Civil War&#8230; ? by: Yasha</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/02/israels_coming_.html#comment-59</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave has got you nailed on this one. Pretty much covers it all.</description>
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 		<title>Comment on Israel&#8217;s Coming Civil War&#8230; ? by: Dave Varney</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/02/israels_coming_.html#comment-58</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Who is advocating pushing all the Palestinians into Jordan? It is the Palestinian terrorists who want to push the Israelis into the ocean. Alex, you are saying that the Israeli settlers are living on &quot;stolen&quot; land? If this is the case, then Texas is &quot;stolen&quot; land. The Israelis and Egypt fought a war, started by the Arabs, which the Israelis won fair and square. As is the case after every war, there is a redrawing of national boundaries, and the victors acquire some of the former territory of the losers. The Palestinians and Arabs need to accept the fact they lost the war. Palestinians and Arabs are allowed to and do live in Israel. Why shouldn't Jews, Israeli or otherwise, be permitted to live in &quot;Palestinian&quot; territory? The anti-settler sentiment proves that many Palestinians are anti-Semitic. They don't want any Jews living within the Palestinian Authority. That being said, I'm afraid that the removal of the settlements is the only way that peace can be achieved. I wonder if the Palestinians would sign a peace agreement with Israel if Israel barred all Palestinians and Arabs from living in Israel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Who is advocating pushing all the Palestinians into Jordan? It is the Palestinian terrorists who want to push the Israelis into the ocean. Alex, you are saying that the Israeli settlers are living on &#8220;stolen&#8221; land? If this is the case, then Texas is &#8220;stolen&#8221; land. The Israelis and Egypt fought a war, started by the Arabs, which the Israelis won fair and square. As is the case after every war, there is a redrawing of national boundaries, and the victors acquire some of the former territory of the losers. The Palestinians and Arabs need to accept the fact they lost the war. Palestinians and Arabs are allowed to and do live in Israel. Why shouldn&#8217;t Jews, Israeli or otherwise, be permitted to live in &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; territory? The anti-settler sentiment proves that many Palestinians are anti-Semitic. They don&#8217;t want any Jews living within the Palestinian Authority. That being said, I&#8217;m afraid that the removal of the settlements is the only way that peace can be achieved. I wonder if the Palestinians would sign a peace agreement with Israel if Israel barred all Palestinians and Arabs from living in Israel?
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 		<title>Comment on Israel&#8217;s Coming Civil War&#8230; ? by: KPalicz</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/02/israels_coming_.html#comment-57</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The land does not belong to them.  They stole the land, that is the whole idea behind the settlements.  The terrorists want to steal the land of the Israelis and the settlers want to steal the land of the Palestinians.  Both are extremists and neither should get support from their government.

Oren, another solution to &quot;uprooting peaceful settlers&quot; would to simply cut them off and stop protecting them.  Leave them to face the terrorists on their own.  Of course that's not politically feasible.  Remember, peacefully coexisting does not equal pushing all the Palestinians into Jordan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The land does not belong to them.  They stole the land, that is the whole idea behind the settlements.  The terrorists want to steal the land of the Israelis and the settlers want to steal the land of the Palestinians.  Both are extremists and neither should get support from their government.</p>
	<p>Oren, another solution to &#8220;uprooting peaceful settlers&#8221; would to simply cut them off and stop protecting them.  Leave them to face the terrorists on their own.  Of course that&#8217;s not politically feasible.  Remember, peacefully coexisting does not equal pushing all the Palestinians into Jordan.
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 		<title>Comment on Israel&#8217;s Coming Civil War&#8230; ? by: SciVille</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/02/israels_coming_.html#comment-56</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting. I don't know if much would come of this what with everything else going on in that region, but a fascinating read nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Interesting. I don&#8217;t know if much would come of this what with everything else going on in that region, but a fascinating read nonetheless.
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 		<title>Comment on Israel&#8217;s Coming Civil War&#8230; ? by: Oren</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/02/israels_coming_.html#comment-55</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The people who you call 'settlers' are not actually settlers. They are residents living on a land that belongs to them. The Israeli military has no right to come over there and kick them off their land. You should not be equating the terrorists with the settlers. The terrorist are out there killing law abiding citizens. They make no distinction between man, child or baby. They are ruthless murderers. Their goal is to obliterate the Israeli people. The settlers on the other hand are living out a peaceful existence. However if the Israeli military plans to disrupt that peaceful existence and kick them off their own land, they would be justified in fighting back. The terrorist need to stop attacking people, and the Israeli government must allow the settlers to live peacefully on their own land. Peace will only occur if the Israeli's and the Palestinians can learn to peacefully coexist. Awarding the terrorists by giving them land will not solve any problems. On the contrary, it will only embolden the terrorists to commit more attacks. They cannot be appeased. It did not work with Hitler and it certainly won't work now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The people who you call &#8217;settlers&#8217; are not actually settlers. They are residents living on a land that belongs to them. The Israeli military has no right to come over there and kick them off their land. You should not be equating the terrorists with the settlers. The terrorist are out there killing law abiding citizens. They make no distinction between man, child or baby. They are ruthless murderers. Their goal is to obliterate the Israeli people. The settlers on the other hand are living out a peaceful existence. However if the Israeli military plans to disrupt that peaceful existence and kick them off their own land, they would be justified in fighting back. The terrorist need to stop attacking people, and the Israeli government must allow the settlers to live peacefully on their own land. Peace will only occur if the Israeli&#8217;s and the Palestinians can learn to peacefully coexist. Awarding the terrorists by giving them land will not solve any problems. On the contrary, it will only embolden the terrorists to commit more attacks. They cannot be appeased. It did not work with Hitler and it certainly won&#8217;t work now.
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 		<title>Comment on Israel&#8217;s Coming Civil War&#8230; ? by: Yasha</title>
		<link>http://oneandfour.org/archives/2005/02/israels_coming_.html#comment-54</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If I wasn't reading extra careful, I could almost come away with the impression you are equating the terrorists and the settlers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If I wasn&#8217;t reading extra careful, I could almost come away with the impression you are equating the terrorists and the settlers.
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